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Date: July 30, 2006 at 13:00:28
From: ken, [pool-64-222-61-206.prov.east.verizon.net]
Subject: Re: Leader Length


Drag is amuch stronger lifting force than any sink rate written on a sinking line box. Drag in water is lift.
Airplanes are heavier than air but the wind lifts them up into the air. Same is true with a sinking line and an intermediate sink tip rises like a ballon with wings in current because of drag or "lift" on the sail area of the line. (resistance) The weight of the line has no buffering effect on this - lift - force.

Awareness of this lifting force called drag is what separates the beginner fly fisherman from truly experienced fly fishermen.

The inexperienced fly fisherman believes what is written on the fly line pkg. and needs to believe it as a strating point as he has no practical understanding of drag.

The experienced fly fisherman understands that drag is all that matters and factors drag in.

Even heavy split shot and a long leader will rise to the surface because of drag.

Presentation and mending are what gets the fly to where you want it to be. Not sink rates on fly line packages.

Wire line is the only material that cuts through water but it is very hard to cast. (impossible)
It takes a hundred feet of trolled stainless wire .23 to fish 10' deep and you have to use 3 to 5 oz of lead at the end to do that with consistency.

We can hope that sinking lines fish deep according to the directions but they do not unless there is no current lifting them up. It is a false hope.

The only way that can be done is to let them free fall which is what mending is all about.

Line companys cannot factor in drag and they do not have to do that.

Drag is completly in the realm of a good fly fishierman not in the realm of line making.
Looking to the line maker for fishing lessons is silly.

Once you start them swinging they rise and that is when the ability to control the lift that is activated in the swing separates the unskilled, uninformed salt water fly fisherman from the skilled.

Fly fishing in current is an art.

It take s time and a great deal of effort to master.

Lines are tools to work with and adjust to the situation not constants that overpower those constants.

You have to understand drag to fish deep with precise control. That is the art.

It is all in the mending and in feeding line into the drift to keep the fly down. The sinking line will never do that by itself.

It will sink with no back pressure on it and that is all it can do. put pressure on it and it rises like a flat rock skipped along the surface by a toss.

The rest is all sales pitch that does not factor in drag. If it did factor in awareness of drag it would not be sales pitch but helpful information.

Once you understand drag than you can fish effectivly with any line at all and until then the fish you are catching, "deep," on your swing are mostly being hooked shallow even though you believe that they are deep.

It is a false positive
(you belive that the line caught the fish deep because it says it fishes deep.)
that belief in the impossible
(physics says that the line is lifted)
tricks people into disregarding the physics of line control.

I am not making this stuff up at all by the way.

It is well known and has been for way over a hundred years in every part of fly fishing except salt water fly fishing circles.

Salt water fly fishermen have been disconnected from their pre-media fly fishing heritage.


A properly mended six foot leader will fish deep with a floating line whereas sixteen foot one on a untended sink tip (even lead) in current will actually be just below the surface. 6" to 1'6" or so.

If you get up high and watch you will see it for yourself. Bridges are very helpful to see this for yourself.

The current lifts it right up like a plane taking off.

Dep underater swings like a sunken greased line swing are the most effective deep presentation swings. A full sinking line cannot be mended in current at all.

They will fish really well in certqin situations if you set up your presentation thoughtfully and that takes real understanding and mastery of deep presentation.

Luck is a factor but it is usually bad in those types of cast and chance it deep presentation situations.

The fast lane is to learn the traditional presentations before you disregard the wisdom of the old timers.

It is a wonderful journey of discovery.


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