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Date: July 30, 2006 at 16:01:06
From: ken, [pool-64-222-61-206.prov.east.verizon.net]
Subject: Re: Leader Length


It is not coincidence.
And
I am not making this stuff up.

At the beginning of the swing the fly is deepest..
Also it is not coincidence that John is very successful (consistently) with short leaders and a floating line in the very same places that you fish.

He also uses sink tips in those places and very effectively.
What he is not doing however is using fifteen foot leaders to get the job done because those places are
not holding feeding fish at that depth.

Read his posts on the finesse boards about fishing there with the sinking line guys all around him and what he did to catch fish and what they did and said.

When you are on the beach you tend to think that the water in front of you is very deep when that is seldom the case.

I am trying to critize you at all. I am trying to talk about the actual playing field of presentation.
No offense is being given.
I am just trying to get the facts about the physics stated as clearly as I can.
I have a fried who fished on Monomoy several days a while back and rode out there on the rip rider and came back later in the day.

He listened to the fellows talking about success and how many fish they had caught using sinking lines and sink tips and jig flies and how great the fishing was.

The best that any of them had done was four fish and he did not want to say anything to them.

They believed in their approach and that it was the best approach..

All of them and the guides on board agreed that it was.
He would not join in because he knew that they would not want to hear about his day at all and finally they started to pressure him so he told them.

He had caught forty two fish and the fellow he was with had caught almost as many.

That was not anything they would even consider as possible so they ignored him for the rest of the trip back.

They were very comforable in their belief systems adn were not comfortable with any information that upset their pecking order.
They were closed in their thinking and prefered to disregard what he experienced to keep their self image as having had a great day intact.

They asked thinking that they were the hot shots and when the answer broke their baloon they simply pretended that it was not acceptable.

They caught fish for sure and they did have a great day.

So did he.

Different standards perhaps.
Sometimes finding out things that can be helpful is not acceptable if it shakes up belief systems that people are comfortable with and that they share with their friends.

Fly fishing in the salt is full of that, "ignore the elephant in the room," kind of wisdom.

The folks who do not want anything to change shoot the messenger all the time.
Fragile ego's I suppose.

Like you said; you can't lose by being open to knowledge.

John is a gentle spirited man.

I hope you take him up on fishing with him.

There is nothing to lose in finding out first hand what he is willing to share.

The physics of drag on a line are never going to change.
YOu will be a better fisherman if you learn to master them.

I am too old to pretend otherwise.











Fishing deeper than twelve feet deep is very difficult to do even with a spinning rod.

People think that they are doing it but seldom are.






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